Talk:Kuyavian long barrows

On 25 September 2025, it was proposed that this article be moved from Kuyavian Pyramids to Kuyavian Tombs. The result of the discussion was moved to Kuyavian long barrows.

Requested move 25 September 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Kuyavian long barrows. Favonian (talk) 11:50, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kuyavian Pyramids → Kuyavian TombsKuyavian Tombs – Matches the Polish article name and reliable sources. There are no good sources calling these Pyramids[1] Fram (talk) 16:21, 25 September 2025 (UTC) There are sources calling them Kuyavian tombs[2] or similar names (mounds[3], graves, barrows). E.g. the Polish Archaelogical Museum doesn't call them pyramids but tombs[4]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fram (talk • contribs) 16:21, 25 September 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Ophyrius (he/him[reply]
T • C • G) 15:49, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here you have source link in Polish wiki https://bydgoszcz.wyborcza.pl/bydgoszcz/56,48722,18667379,mamy-zabytki-z-wszystkich-epok-nawet-polskie-piramidy.html so colloquially "Polish piramidy" or Kuyavian are more popular phrase. Do we go further and also want to move Giza Pyramid to Giza Tomb Bildete (talk) 16:28, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also nothing link there, everywhere I just add [[]] to existing names at Kuyavian or Polish piramids Bildete (talk) 16:29, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioning that Kuyavian Tombs are easy to be confused with Bodzia Cemetery Bildete (talk) 16:31, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If there are English language sources available (like here), we go with the WP:COMMONNAME in reliable Englosh-language sources. And the Giza Pyramid is a pyramid, unlike these tombs... Fram (talk) 10:19, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah and the most common name are Kuyavian Pyramids, even if they are ruins and some leftovers of tombs are left. If Giza Pyramid get ruined still will be called Pyramids even if they were only Pyramids ruins left. Same here, they were Pyramids so they are Pyramids, even if they don't look as Pyramids anymore, but they been Pyramids Bildete (talk) 12:20, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is neither evidence that they were pyramids (apparently they were 100-200 meter long, and som meters high...) nor evidence that it is the most common name in English in reliable sources. Fram (talk) 12:31, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are to much fixated on Egyptian one, pyramids come in different shapes and forms. https://kpcd.com.pl/kujawskie-piramidy/ here you have name in official voivodeship Heritage Centre, yes that the most common name Bildete (talk) 13:04, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

... in English ... WP:COMMONNAME; "prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources) " Fram (talk) 13:11, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support Kuyavian Mounds, per pl wiki name (:pl:Kopiec=:en:Mound); that said, GS suggests in English Tombs>Pyramids>Mounds, with 18>3>1 hits. Just make sure to create redirects and mention the Polish name as well as English names in the lead. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:56, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The pyramids are the most popular with links. There no links to mounds or tombs. So why not Kuyavian megalith, or Kuyavian long barrows or Kuyavian kurgan? Bildete (talk) 12:46, 29 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Umm. What do you mean "most popular with links"? Wikipedia internal links are not a good measure of name popularity in English. As for the other names, their popularity on GS is 3, 18, 0 (for plural). Which does mean long barrows is tied with tombs, hmmm. Toss a coin, @Fram? :P _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:06, 29 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you look "Polish Pyramids"? that's the most popular, but also sounds bit colloquial for me it's better to specify the region so as it was Kuyavian Pyramids, just keep it like it is Bildete (talk) 13:18, 29 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://bibliotekanauki.pl/articles/88323 some scientific paper in English: Neolithic tombs, the so-called “Polish pyramids” (or. “Kuyavian pyramids”) . Or https://bibliotekanauki.pl/articles/27313955 During the final stage of development, the people of the Funnelbeaker culture built elongated earthen mounds encircled by strips of large stones, called the ‘Kuyavian pyramids’.

So better let's put discussion between Polish or Kuyavian Pyramid Bildete (talk) 13:28, 29 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Polish is less precise than Kuyavian. My preference would be for 'Kuyavian long barrows", since tombs is also more generic than long barrow. (Sadly, long barrow does not have a Polish interwiki, and as I mentioned earlier, pl:kopiec (architektura) is iwikied to mound, sigh). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:43, 29 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with "Kuyavian long barrows", it's the most accurate and is the term used in many of the reliable sources.

Pyramids might be occasionally used because it's a colloquial misnomer, but they are clearly not pyramids.

And they might not have all been tombs: "They present variability in form, shape, size and the way in which they were used for social and ritual purposes.[5]p.175 Hypnôs (talk) 13:53, 29 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The first one also discussed "The so-called “Tombs of Kuyavia” (e.g. in Wietrzychowice) belong to the chamberless graves", and the second one also has the quote "the so-called Kuyavian tombs that are counted among them, were erected in the third millennium BCE, and are therefore more or less contemporaneous to the pyramids in Egypt". As Piotrus indicated, "Tombs" and "Barrows" are the much more common terms for these in English-language scholarly sources, although "Pyramids" isn't completely non-existent. Fram (talk) 13:48, 29 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I did some searches and I did find some places calling them pyramids in quotations, including national geographic. Although looking at them they definitely seem more "tomb like" to me so I'm conflicted. Here are some links to how they are titled: 5,500-year-old ‘Polish pyramids’ discovered in western Poland reveal Neolithic engineering: https://archaeologymag.com/2025/07/5500-year-old-polish-pyramids-western-poland/ 5,500-Year-Old “Polish Pyramids” discovered in western Poland: https://researchinpoland.org/news/5500-year-old-polish-pyramids-discovered-in-western-poland/ and "The "Polish Pyramids" are a group of megalithic tombs that have been discovered in Wietrzychowice," (bear in mind this National Geographic on social media--so not the magazine): https://www.facebook.com/groups/964935275062398/posts/1278772947011961/ Agnieszka653 (talk) 19:30, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but these ones are older than the Kuyavian tombs, and Wyskoć is not in the same region but quite a bit more to the west, so the sources are not about the same thing as this article. Fram (talk) 08:18, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Kuyavian long barrows. Based on the conversation thus far, "Kuyavian tombs" and "Kuyavian long barrows" seem to be the two plausible contenders for the WP:COMMONNAME, and "Kuyavian long barrows" seems to be more WP:PRECISE while being only slightly less concise. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 20:08, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support moving to Kuyavian long barrows per above. GenuineArt (talk) 04:54, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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